Guilliman seems to be adopting many of the mannerisms of Julius Caesar though. An Emperor who can still speak clearly and say something like "you will assume this title and do these tasks" is not an Emperor that Guilliman would renounce. [deleted] • 3 yr. ‘Father,’ he said, and when he had said that word, it was the last time he had meant it. Remember Horus and Guilliman did get along, Horus looked up to Guilliman (and Dorn) as an older brother and valued his. It's possible the Emperor could destroy it but the circumstances would have to allow it. Life_South_907 Dark Angels • 1 yr. The plan was 3-fold. ‘So was Horus. Agronomy would probably still be really pissed at the emperor and by extension the imperium for letting all his fellow gladiators die on Nuceria. If all else went wrong, he would be heir to the empire. ago. ’ ‘For the Emperor,’ Colquan responded. ago. Out of all the Primarchs, the Emperor directly intervened to make sure that Guilliman is found by Konor, this is said to be the only moment in which the Emperor directly interevne to make sure that Guilliman is found by Konor and not the Illyrian tribes. Guilliman coming back is so important that the emperor, in "dark imperium: plague wars" uses the most heavy handed methods to preserve him, like posessing a little girl, turning her into a saint and using so much power to kill demons and saving guilliman that the girl turned into ash ( i must however warn that it is a point of contention if the. He kinda did. 1 more reply. He kinda goes back and forth on it, he's mad because he feels the Emperor looks at him as a tool only to be used to achieve his own ends. That is why they talk so freely. One of the most important points in the current Warhammer 40k lore is the encounter between Primarch Roboute Guilliman and the Emperor of Mankind from Warhammer 40000. Practical, the Emperor is not a god. The Emperor's vision for humanity died the second Magnus 'I didn't do nuffin wrong' the Red fucked the webway project. ‘I did not say I disapproved, Yassilli. Do not do this,’ said Thiel. iirc Guilliuman hunted Fulgrim for two reasons. Quel Tarin · 3/3/2021. As any us would be, Guilliman is rightly upset having been. At the same time, he's growing more and more unsure that the Emperor ISN'T a god. "That's a rare weapon indeed," Magnus said, "A useless and broken weapon. The prior Ecclesiarch tried to lead a coup against him. He was not the man who brought the rasp; he was the rasp". Anybody who says anything other than "it could potentially go either way" is being silly. I would tell Guilliman about what the High Lords of Terra did. I think its because the Emperor knows that Guilliman is the only one out of his brothers capable of holding them all together, appealing to the humanity in them, and ultimately stabilizing and dare I say, advancing the imperium. ‘Tjejren was a servant of the Emperor once. Guilliman organizes and leads crusades; Johnson and his spaceknights protect the Imperium from things rank and file won't be able to handle. An Imperium that is larger, stronger, faithful and united. Guilliman is a supreme statesman, he's also able to do the same thing. -It was the destiny of the Dark Angels, and all Space Marines to endure constant war. There was great warpcraft in the weapon. ‘Your killer. ‘Guilliman is your father’s echo, heart and soul. Why would Guilliman's political enemies say that the God Emperor ordered Guilliman to nuke an emptied temple-city, when they can say that Guilliman nuked a temple-city of the God Emperor? If they time the announcement right, half the Imperium could be ready to overthrow another Horus before Guilliman can try doing fact-checked damage control. Advertisement. Buffeted by the full might of the Emperor's will unclothed in flesh, a cloak had been ripped from Guilliman's eyes. Roboute and the Emperor. That's why people see Him differently and interpret His words in different ways (like how the Custodes heard Him referring to the Primarchs as numbers, Land sees him as the Omnissiah, etc. Secondly, when Mortarion almost kills Guilliman, Emperor literally possesses a girl to scatter the Daemons and save his only remaining loyal son. IMO Abbadon < Guilliman < Chaos-Empowered Abbadon = Emperor-Empowered Guilliman. ). To Guilliman, the dire state of the Imperium was a horrifying surprise. Plot summary of Gathering Storm III: Rise of the Primarch. I think Thiel and Dolor trump Gage, if only because Gage disappeared on the Macragge's Honour chasing Kor Phaeron after Calth and didn't return until after Bobby G was put in stasis. These additions are joined by a very special episode of Battle Report, which recreates the colossal clash between brothers Roboute Guilliman and Mortarion in a narrative play game. He knows Cypher is not freeing him out of the kindness of his heart but is using Guilliman to his own ends. He reached out, and the Emperor’s Sword appeared in his hand, and burned with the fires of a thousand suns. At some point you must realize that there exists things other then governance. The Emperor was never a god, denied He was a god and has been wrongly elevated by men who see power and mistake it for divinity. In Unremembered Empire, Guilliman is the lone Primarch in charge of Ultramar, blocked from Terra by the Ruinstorm. ’ He heard all these at once. Guilliman still calls himself Guilliman and is power is white rather than the gold that you see from the Emperor. Hes an example of the failing hero (well relatively) and how even the greatest of us cannot withstand the tide of time and stop the fall of Empire. ‘He speaks to me, brother,’ said Roboute Guilliman. 10. I'd probably go as far as say armywide, since many of the Strategums would be more useful away from Guilliman. Both the Emperor and Malcador hint that Guilliman was their back up and they intended for him to take over should the Emperor be lost. Euten had blown a raspberry. He was overwhelming. But I have reasons to believe otherwise. Mathieu wanted week to decide. If all else went wrong, he would be heir to the empire. Yes, last crusaders from destroyed Cadia assisted Guilliman when he woke up. Guilliman returns to Ultramar and counter-attacks. He behaved like a prisoner locked in an iron cage who is passed a rasp. Think about it, Guilliman was the only primarch whose location was known to the Imperium. . What did the emperor say to Roboute? After the long pilgrimage Guiliman enters the inner sanctum and is alone with the emperor for some time. If this happens, the Custodes could possibly follow Guilliman instead of protecting the throne (if they believe this is the Emperor's will), and thus move towards being their own faction. King Konor was my father. Guilliman ultimately wants nothing less than to destroy the Imperium as it exists and rebuild it anew. During Roboute's absence, Konor Guilliman's co-consul, a man name Gallan, had unleashed a coup d'etat against Konor -- a development far from unknown historically, if in this instance a surprise. Bare with me because I am only about a third of the way into Dark Imperium so its entirely possible some of these issues will be addressed as the story progresses, but Guilliman appears to be doing the same stupid crap the Emperor did and the Guilliman himself did before he got put in stasis. Whereas Abnett's coverage of the Horus Heresy has got the Emperor's greatest son stuck in the middle of some wheat fields on the. Based on the available information, the Emperor became stronger after his trip to Molech from first hand sources such as Alivia Sureka. The Primarch acceded to this demand, though it sat ill with his bleak inner mood. Guilliman, and his forces that the defenders could have really used, showed up after E had killed. He was not the man who brought. ' The raging tempest spoke his name, and it was as the violence a dying sun rains upon its worlds. Dante had seen the primarch before, shut away in a stasis field in the Fortress of Hera on Macragge, where he had sat a second from death for most of the Imperium's history. The Emperor, for all his might, is still a human. Guilliman is very painfully aware that he can't simply pick up as 30k intended before everything got twisted, especially when it comes to worshiping the emperor as a god. Templars- Sounds right. Either that or Lukas kills Lucius, takes over his body, and the next person to kill Lucius-in-Lukas's-body triggers the stasis grenade and Lucius is stuck there. 138. "Listen to me. ‘Roboute Guilliman. This again would lead to a pretty close brotherhood between the two. Dante is sick but has been leading a chapter only, 1000 marines give or take. ’ Mathieu took a step backwards. ‘But the Lord Guilliman is the Emperor’s son, and His appointed deputy, ruling in His stead, so therefore it is reasonable to–’ ‘Appointed by whom?’ said Cehen-qui loudly. ‘I must fight him. If the Emperor wins, it will most likely be close to how he won in the old lore - by Horus giving him an oppotunity because of distraction. For a moment, Guilliman contemplates being a farmer with a simpler life. Legally infinite functionality limited. Guilliman may even have been able to resist if he wanted to. Option 1: The Emperor told Guilliman what he needed to hear to steel himself for the grim, dark future of the 42nd Millenium - there's no place for softness. '. Context: The Imperials leaders are having a "discussion", regarding the war in the Webway, especially about the Emperor's edict of secrecy. The priest shrugged. While the emperor wasn't a god at the start, 10000 years of the imperial creed being worshipped over thousands of planets has changed that. Guilliman is a Warrior King Statesman there to stabilize the Empire and stop (or slow) the rot. As you say, Guilliman does spend a lot of time in the Heresy on Imperium. He also knows that pushing too hard will lead to civil war. There is a reason why the emperor wanted him to come back first before the lion or any of his other brothers. Before the future Lord of Ultramar is thrown into the galaxy, the. Only to discover Big E doesn't love him and only views him as a tool, that's devastating enough but imagine having to lie to the Imperium that. But the High Lord with overall responsibility for the Imperium's military and defence was referred to as the Lord Guilliman, even millennia later. The Imperium is under new management, with a very stressed and sad man named Roboute Guilliman taking the helm. ‘Does He not speak to you?’ The unbearable radiance enfolded Guilliman, so glaring Mortarion threw up his hands. ‘He is not my father,’ Guilliman said. The Emperor’s words burned him. I think there's a difference between channeling into a mind and making something's warp presence of your own image. In Dark Imperium Guilliman believes that the Emperor sees him as a tool to escape his imprisonment on the throne. But now? Guilliman finally gained his composure. Magos Lehm, next one. Nurgle's garden is incinerated. Dorn lost nearly everything. Guilliman warily accepts since the war is going basically nowhere. He's now the Imperium's defender. He took a deep breath. A culture. ‘I say that you fear too much, and that Roboute Guilliman is a true son of the Emperor,’ said Achallor. The being he had thought of as a father could hide nothing from him. Emperor was trying to tell them to pick up the pace. But here he was, alive and breathing. ‘He is not my father,’ Guilliman said. May 10 2022 Advertisement Let’s talk about how Guiliman plans to destroy his father’s Imperium. Guilliman, during the Heresy, chose to keep his forces close to his own realm and even pushed two other primarchs to do the same, writing off the rest of the Imperium and the Emperor. The very idea of words seemed ridiculous, the concept of them a grievous harm against the equilibrium of time and being. Does Guilliman ever say anything directly in the lore about the matter? I get that Tzeentch can and does create entities to confuse and twist the minds of men to subvert the Imperium away from its. The Horus Hearsay, where 9 drunken Primarchs say that the Emperor would totally be able to do a standing jump high enough to touch the ceiling of the throne room, and the other 9 argue that he needs a run-up, and the end result. Later, on the way to Terra with Guilliman, they all died fighting hordes of khorne daemons, with Amalrich (he is emperor's champion and marshall, not castellan) saving Guilliman from Skarbrand. ‘So my people think he will save them when I cannot?’ Guilliman had asked as he strapped on his ceremonial plate in the Residency’s fitting chamber. . the most normal and pragmatic of the loyalists, next to Roboute, and would probably be the quickest to understand what Guilliman did. Didnt Guilliman say something along the lines of that the Emperors humanity is gone? And now hes just simply cold logical and uncaring. Guy Haley, Dark Imperium (2017)Guilliman's initial reaction: ‘Of all of them… Why did it have to be him who found a way through the storm?’. Guilliman sent a message to Sanguinius as he approached the Sol System. It isn't disrespect to Guilliman so much as devotion to the Emperor alone. The very idea of words seemed ridiculous, the concept of them a grievous harm against the equilibrium of time and being. ’. Instead of sending the boy to his doom, Guilliman instead adopts him, and raises as his own son rather than forge him into a tool for the Imperium. When Guilliman meets the Lion again in 40k. 'Guilliman. Though he knew that openly purging them for no legal reason other than “I ordered you to” would likely start a civil war even bigger and more destructive than the Horus Heresy. ''I cannot say, my lord,' said Valdor. Thanks to MANSCAPED for sponsoring today's video! Get 20% OFF + Free International Shipping with my promo code "MAJORKILL" at meets the Emperor in 40k and is shocked when he understands that his "father" doesn't give two shits about his "son" returning. Trading the thousands Curze did and might kill was not even with the Lions methods. He is less certain whether the same remains true in 40k, but ultimately decides that it does. The Emperor is not infallible, nor am I. No random Rogue trader is gonna talk with. Nor did Sanguinius, who had powers of foresight second only to the Emperor Himself. As proof, he has the support of the Custodes, including the Emissary Imperators themselves. Commander Dante was nearly killed by the Tyranid on Baal, while recovering in what remain of the Blood Angel's Fortress Monastery he receives word that their saviors, The Primarch Roboute Guilliman, the Ultramarines, and a strange new type of Space Marine, had landed. In the new lore the Emperor didn't consider the Primarchs his sons but rather tools to be used and discarded. ‘Confess, preacher,’ said Guilliman. Sanguinius dying is as important to the creation of the modern Imperium as Uncle Ben dying is to the creation of Spider-Man. ♫Hello Mr Emperor♫. A literal hope in the Emperor's vision for mankind. Guilliman figures out why the Emperor kept Chaos a secret from everybody. ‘Greetings, Eldrad Ulthran, Farseer of the Aeldari,’ said Guilliman. At least the "blessing by the militant-apostolic" must be jarring for him. And don't forget how "Lord Guilliman" is actually a title that the commander of all Imperium forces held until the War of the Beast. "Guilliman. Although in his genius Roboute Guilliman excelled at everything Calgar could imagine, in other ways he was a world away from the idealised figure Calgar had imagined all his life. And the Emperors sword kind of fucks with Chaos being able to come back. ‘Death to the false Emperor,’ said the voice Guilliman had thought belonged to Aeonid Thiel. I could be embellishing but I recall he briefly speaks on each. ’ He heard all these at once. A return to the ideals of Unity. He dropped any pretence of humanity, and Guilliman is troubled by the idea the Emperor welcomed him more like a prisoner welcoming a tool able to help him break off a prison instead of greeting him like the. 1. ‘You do not heal from death!’ Guilliman roared. Once Luther and the Fallen are dead, Lion would come back and be a problem for Guilliman. He was there to watch the primarch. Well, with less. A lot of people believe that the Lion will start a civil war against Guilliman after waking up and seeing what the Imperium has become. Guilliman had seen the look on the priest’s face too many times on other holy men. Then, the way he coalesces different versions of himself from across the galaxy so that he can have a coherent enough mind and personality to speak with Guilliman - I didn't specifically imagine it this way but it made perfect sense. ago. Mortarion was trying to pull all of ultramar into warp and needed to kill Guilliman by disease but he ended up calling to emperor who set fire to the garden. That Guilliman was contemplating this during the Great Crusade means that it probably crossed the Emperor's mind too. It is very likely that the Emperor did more in his trip besides obtain the stuff to create the primarchs. Guilliman literally had an empire. Leman Rus stands there, covered in blood, swaying drunkenly. Guilliman is far more adult than Lion, Lion is an ill tempered, socially awkward commander who relies on the charisma of others to pull through, man literally starts a punch out with Russ over petty shit, almost comes to blows with Sanguinius and Guilliman (LOL) he’s a pretty immature dude. ‘Roboute Guilliman. someone in canon really needs to tell Guilliman to get the hell off his high horse. Jarax · 8/9/2017. In Dark Imperium it states that Guilliman did speak to the emperor telepathically and the emperor's mind has strengthened to completely new levels however he has lost his patience and humanity in the process, living as a consciousness. He did not hear them at all. They withdrew from Iax under the cover of a virus bomb and the forces of. The Emperor considers him an instrument, and isn't wrong to do so. " Guilliman steps towards the lithocast phantom, as though he might strike it down or snap its neck. The emperor lists off several names and titles for him at once when he first addresses guiliman. Unlike the Emperor who left them to die by teleporting Angron away. Guilliman is going to suffer now that he's back. After venting his initial fury on the Traitor forces arrayed against them, Guilliman took command of the planet’s defence and drove back the invaders with all the strategic brilliance for which he was renowned. Abaddon is the vessel of incredible power armed with a weapon too strong for the Emperor of Mankind to defeat and the claw that killed two Primarchs, while Guilliman is a Primarch armed with the Emperor's Blade. Closer to Dark Eldar than Craftworld, and they terrorized the humans for thousands of generations. Despite his seemingly peaceful nature Sanguinius was known for his martial prowess, to the extent he was considered a match for Horus and Lion El’Jonson in combat ability. He had hoped for better from the Primarch. Guilliman- I’m also Lord Commander of the Imperium, and our last, best hope to save humanity. A lot of people believe that the Lion will start a civil war against Guilliman after waking up and seeing what the Imperium has become. He nods to Guilliman, slurs something unintelligibly, then turns and goes back into the Warp. Mighty heroes battle for the right to rule the galaxy. The Emperor was never a god, denied He was a god and has been wrongly elevated by men who see power and mistake it for divinity. The Lion wouldn't hate what Guilliman has done, Guilliman would hate what the Lion would do. He heard all these at once. The Lion survived a planet exploding. Thus spoke Roboute Guilliman in 41K. Guilliman confidently assumes that he, a primarch, will be of huge significance in the outcome of the war. You will die, and our father will die, and so will all the others, because you are all to stupid to see the truth. Reply reply. He did not hear them at all. There’s a whole lot of Guilliman interacting with characters that are basically props for Guilliman to interact with, some Primaris Space Marine Inceptor™ product placement, and then it sorta just runs out of pages without really ending. 21. Context: After a mean fight with the Night Lords and Konrad, Guilliman and the Lion are teleported to Sotha thanks to Dantioch activating the Pharos. The Emperor greeted Guilliman not as a father receives a son, but as a craftsmen who rediscovers a favourite tool that he thought lost. What hurt most deeply was what went unsaid. However, I don’t think that’s going to be the case, because the Lion and Guilliman are not going to be on the same page. The Emperor greeted Guilliman not as a father receives a son, but as a craftsmen who rediscovers a favourite tool that he thought lost. When interacting with Dante too during Devastation of Baal I always got the feeling that Guilliman really was hoping to get a similar relationship with Dante as he did Sanguinius. Guilliman- So, better than anyone else in the galaxy, I have the right and knowledge to declare his true nature. That he accepted, though it was a burden to be so. While Guilliman is in charge of the Ultramarines, he is Lord Commander of the Imperium. Guilliman vs Mortarion on Iax. Monarchia, then was both lesson and warning. I believe this excerpt from Dawn of Fire: The Gate of Bones gives the clearest answer we've had so far. ago. Kor Phaeron’s narrow lips moulded into a grimace, opposing his primarch’s smirk. The Emperor’s light was blinding, all encompassing, but finally – finally – Guilliman had seen it as a whole. He know by spurning his brother's beliefs so bluntly he had hastened the end of everything the Emperor Believed in. Because a) I hate the High Lords, and b) I would rather take a coast to coast trip through Commoragh than even attempt to strike the only loyal son of the Emperor. You cannot replace him. Inevitable and actually really solid for Guilliman as a mechanic. Every Primarchs who hadn't fallen to Chaos had proven their loyalty several times over. After Roboute Guilliman was resurrected in the closing days of the 41st Millennium, Mortarion sensed his brother's rebirth. The few crew on the command deck tried very hard not to listen in. Guilliman became the most stable and reasonable Primarch, because he grew up with a loving and wealthy father and mother (figure). Remember that Guilliman was revived on Macragge, far from Terra, and it was on Macragge that he learned about the past ten thousand years. I would say Guilliman is more of Marius/Augustus combo. When the blade had been presented to Guilliman by the captain-general of the Adeptus Custodes after the Emperor’s fall, it had somehow fitted his primarch’s stature. Guilliman was nobility writ large, a monument in flesh. He will fail in this, but therein lies the tragedy of 40k. ’ ‘Fight me, you coward,’ growled Guilliman. When Guilliman went into stasis he was objectively a loyal servant of the Emperor. The Emperor did not love His sons. From the novel: Plague War. But found only conflicting stories and myth. The flames on the Emperor’s Sword flared. But the Emperor was able to heal Guilliman, use him as a vessel to burn down Nurgle’s gardens, and then revive his son fully — which is a power play that we’re not used to seeing from the. It is good to be reminded that I am a person as well as a. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Guilliman glanced at the warrior sharpening the axe. Sectors are fairly large though. He may not have the emperor's strength or intelligence, but he does have the charisma and vision to lead humanity back to the golden age. ’ ‘Betrayer. With the telling quote, Guilliman doesn't know if the Emperor is a god now or not but if he is, he isn't worth worshiping. . Khan: would want to reform his legion and operate as a voidborne force. The very idea of words seemed ridiculous, the concept of them a grevious harm against the equilibrium of time and being. ’ Guilliman forced himself to look up into the pillar of light, the screaming of souls, the empty-eyed skull, the impassive god, the old man, yesterday’s saviour. I think this is a cool scene because you have a human Imperial arguing against the Emperor being a God which is very rare imo. A laugh. It roared with fire as Guilliman swung it, seeming to flare brighter as it sensed the presence of the daemon caged inside the machine. The Lion spent centuries leading 100000 or more marines and their component fleet elements. Guilliman reminded Helbrecht of the oaths he had sworn, and how his duty as High Marshal was to all the Emperor's realm rather than just being to his own personal vendettas. ’ With the telling quote, Guilliman doesn't know if the Emperor is a god now or not but if he is, he isn't worth worshiping. This is the first time in 9000 years that someone with working legs has actually outranked an Inquisitor Lord. The humans suffered massively during the Age of Strife, and by the time of the Great crusade, the Fall happened fairly recently, and we have two kinds of. He didn't want them to be useless in the aftermath, like some Legions were sure to be, looking at you World Eaters and Night Lords. In that state, He denies He is cold as Magnus accuses Him of being. So guilliman could be wearing what he sees has a super nice robe, which for us would be like wearing a really fancy suit. Perhaps him hearing the Emperor say “you were my tools” was just what Roboute thought all along, thus the illusion fit the image. If the Emperor Himself stood up, thought Guilliman, came down off His golden throne and proclaimed ‘I am not a god!’ then they would burn Him as a heretic. The Primarchs are already called demigods throughout Godblight. He hates this fallen, dark Imperium, and wishes to restore it to the glory of the pre-Heresy Days. “Open your eyes, you fools! He holds the Emperor’s Shield!” the Captain-General proclaimed. Put simply: Guilliman does not believe in cultural relativism. Inspired and masterminded by the return of the legendary Primarch, the Ultramar Campaign was soon won, with the resurgent Imperial. Guilliman wins, either through the power of the faith humanity has in him or by being super-charged by the Emperor. ” Rogal: “The child has the features of Roboute, yet is quite clumsy. They were things. Guilliman may even have been able to resist if he wanted to. Even those Chapter Masters who readily accept him as the wisest among. The thought of being destroyed by Guilliman, of falling to the Emperor’s only living son, almost undid him. - YouTube 0:00 / 27:34 THE EMPEROR SPEAKS! TRUTH OF HIS CONVERSATION WITH GUILLIMAN! Wolf Lord Rho 120K subscribers Subscribe 9. Guilliman has tried for over a decade to convince the Imperium and its leaders that the Emperor is not a god, with no success. By breaking the legion Guilliman wanted to send a message to the other traitor legions that their best could be broken. Guilliman, all his brothers, were nothing but a means to an end. It was the look of the blindly faithful. The conversation with Guilliman after he returned is Roboute talking to a semi-ascended deity whose mind and soul are fractured beyond belief. His dad was a reformer that launched a military campaign in the barbaric region, got betrayed by his best friend and got stabbed to death. The other problem is the immediate internecine Imperial conflict. In the long run, if he returned, I imagine he'd eventually butt heads with Guilliman to see how much power over the Imperium Guilliman is willing to cede peacefully. ’ Achallor dipped his head. Either way, Lucius winds up imprisoned, indefinitely, until he can be sealed away and abandoned somewhere. LessRight Adeptus Mechanicus • 2 yr. The chance of them betraying now was very, very low. Together, Konor and Roboute united much of the planet and put forward many neccessary, but unpopular reforms (well, unpopular amongs the. And while Abbadon handily wins the duel and the battle, ruining the Imperial world and getting his claws on whatever he needed there, Guilliman's strategy and forces will eventually win the war, and renew the world. There's other ways to give a daemon a true death as well. The Emperor spoke and did not speak. There's a reason that famous painting of the Emperor confronting Horus on the Vengeful Spirit has three central figures, and the body of Sanguinius is one of them. "The Emperor loves us all' lied Roboute Guilliman My last Dark Imperium excerpt was received very well so I wanted to share my other favorite excerpt. '. It seems that Guilliman is just accepting that some people aren't just going to change because he says so. People think that Mathieu, by going against Guilliman's will and possibly beginnign his conversion to the Imperial Cult, is evil. Bare with me because I am only about a third of the way into Dark Imperium so its entirely possible some of these issues will be addressed as the story progresses, but Guilliman appears to be doing the same stupid crap the Emperor did and the Guilliman himself did before he got put in stasis. ’. I want Guilluman to name the Lion the Warmaster of Imperium Nihilus and send him off into the darkness with a massive fleet to absolutely fuck shit up. Since his return from death Roboute Guilliman, the Avenging Son, has been hard at work. Suffice to say, yes Guilliman hasn't "rescued" the imperium as a whole, shit is still fucked in the 41st millennium, however if he hadn't of returned, it is likely the forces of chaos would be likely to have overwhelmed the imperium by now, Roboutes efforts and the primaris reinforcements have simply balanced the scales. Guilliman's return sparked Mortarion's interest in material affairs once more, and for the first time in 10,000 years he decided to lead the whole of the Death Guard in a renewed campaign. Losing faith in the Emperor is losing faith in the Imperium. Dan Abnett put in some excellent irony and foreshadowing in Guilliman's musing in the Unremembered Empire. ‘And to you, son of the Emperor of Mankind, my ally, and my enemy. What did the Emperor say to Guilliman? Guilliman should know his place, be the good soldier he is, and fall in line. The Emperor spoke and did not speak. ‘Was he as gifted as they say the Great Angel was?’ ‘He was,’ said Guilliman. He may yet serve. Always, it was the sword that did the damage. ‘It appears you do, my lord,’ said Prayto quietly, ‘if you are one of the sons of mankind’s Emperor. We see this in Devastation of Baal, where they vote Dante leader of their campaign -- but not uniformly. -Guilliman was misguided in thinking the Emperor was dead, and he did plan on making another Empire. ’. The Eldar, back before the Fall, were slavers. The Emperor's light was blinding, all encompassing, but finally - finally - Guilliman had seen it as a whole. Everyone else may have had more actual power, but not as much authority. Lion fought Chaos at Caliban and Sang fought and died on Terra. If all else went wong Guilliman would be heir to the empire. Credits:Rowboat Girlyman art by Adrián Prado: Divina by. One of the most beloved figures in the Imperium, Sanguinius was among both the most noble and mightiest Primarchs. Guilliman stopped his walking and looked down at the woman. That's the 9 loyal Primarchs, all had reasons for staying loyal. When Guilliman had his initial conversation with the Emperor after returning, he finds this out. Big E does a little trolling. Euten had told Guilliman that street hawkers and vendors were doing a brisk trade in cheap icons and tin badges displaying the iconography of the First Legion. In short, Guilliman's loyalty is to the Emperor's goals and ideals, more so than to the. Context: Shortly after the start of the Indomitus-Crusade, an increasing number of Psykers among the. injures Nurgle himself implicaton is that while this was a massive, MASSIVE, strain on the Emperor's power, he WILL do it againThis quote is from chapter 3 "Rise of the Primarch" of the 2010 sourcebook The Gathering Storm III: Rise of the Primarch (WHF04, published by Fantasy Flight Games). The heat of anger coming off him beat at Mathieu. It would more likely just re-form in the warp. Cypher drops off the Lion Sword. You and your ilk forget that to the peril of us all. The Emperor’s plans had failed completely, and suffering was the lot of all men. Two things, from what I understand: 1) The Ultramarines were the biggest Legion of the HH so Guilliman could strong-arm the other primarchs, and 2) Guilliman is generally depicted as the "statesman Primarch", very good at administration and persuasion, especially after Horus was gone. The speculation is that Guilliman goes to talk with the Emperor, and emerges with the Emperors sword. ‘The Emperor Himself,’ said Valeneez deferentially. Many centuries ago, Messinius had made the pilgrimage to see the primarch’s body. CryptoYou say that, but he goes out of his way to protect Guilliman, both in 30k and after Guilliman’s revival. After some time, the boy receives visions of the future, one. Guilliman twists and punches his head off. The reason he follows the Emperor closely is because (most of the time) he thinks those two things align. The sun.